Re: [pilc] What's the benefit of L2 Triggers in 3G/Ad-Hoc systems ?

From: Behcet Sarikaya (sarikayab@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Jun 17 2002 - 11:36:07 EDT

  • Next message: James Kempf: "Re: [pilc] What's the benefit of L2 Triggers in 3G/Ad-Hoc systems ?"

    Hello Kamesh,
      
    --- Kamesh Medepalli <medepalli@lucent.com> wrote:
    ....
    >
    > Could one of the proponents of this issue refer me
    > to any work that quantifies
    > the merit of such a scheme for 3G and/or Ad-Hoc
    > systems?
    >
    > For the 3G systems (CDMA2000/UMTS) you would most
    > probably terminate the
    > IP connection at the PDSN/GGSN (more like HA in
    > Mobile-IP) and then run
    > a PPP link to the Mobile. Now, handoffs are done
    > much further away from
    > PDSN/GGSN and clearly, the latency is too much for
    > us derive any benefit
    > from any L2 info. Even if you do have that info fast
    > enough, you cannot
    > do much at IP layer since the Radio Access Network
    > works some-what like a
    > circuit. You do not perform any routing to the
    > Mobile beyond the PDSN/GGSN.
    > You just tunnel the PPP frames through GRE, GTP
    etc.>
    > I am curious about any work performed in this
    > area...
    >
    I can probably refer you to NTT-DOCOMO USA labs recent
    work on this. In collaboration with Motorola, they
    experimented in implementing Mobile IPv4 fast handover
    draft which contains L2 Handover triggers. I think
    that Motorola implemented the triggers on a CDMA2000
    1X RTT radio and PDSN and they used it to get some
    benchmarks of handover.
      Recently James Kempf made a presentation at IPCN02
    in Paris and his presentation can be found at:
    http://www.mplsworld.com/ipcn02/
    look for James Kemp's presentation here.
      Also we wrote a paper which appeared at IEEE
    Communications Magazine's May 2002 issue on how L2
    triggers including paging triggers can be implemented
    using CDMA 2000 entities.
      Yes you are absolutely right on your assessment that
    the benefits in real-time gains would probably be
    minimal which suggests looking for better radio
    architectures and ways of having Mobile IP function
    closer to the base station in public cellular networks
    is needed.

    > Thanks,
    > Kamesh

    Regards,

    --behcet

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