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[ns] Offtopic: Mailing list management ?!





Dear all,

Lately quite a few messages bounced off the ns-users list and they
eventually end at the "postmaster" addie on the mailservers. Given the traffic
ns-users list enjoys the person receiving those mails is (to put it
_very_ mildly) "not very happy w/ the situation". 

Sorry for spraying the whole list  w/ this but it became quite a
frequent pleasure recently.  

Below is an excerpt of such a bounced mail, AFAICT due to a wonderfully
configured mail server in .kr 


Regards,

Florian

> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:30:31 +0200 (MEST)
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
> To: <[email protected]>
> To: postmaster
> Subject: Returned mail: Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <[email protected]> via zephyr.isi.edu, to <[email protected]>
> Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)

> The original message was received at Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:30:30 +0200 (MEST)
> from zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160]

>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> |/usr/pd/bin/filter
>     (expanded from: <[email protected]>)

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <[email protected]> via zephyr.isi.edu, to <[email protected]>

> Reporting-MTA: dns; solen.ce.chalmers.se
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; zephyr.isi.edu
> Arrival-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:30:30 +0200 (MEST)

> Final-Recipient: RFC822; <[email protected]>
> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/pd/bin/[email protected]
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:30:31 +0200 (MEST)

> Return-Path: <[email protected]>
> Received: from zephyr.isi.edu (zephyr.isi.edu [128.9.160.160])
> 	by solen.ce.chalmers.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07330
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:30:30 +0200 (MEST)
> Received: (from daemon@localhost)
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15132
> 	for [email protected]; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:41:27 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: (from majordom@localhost)
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15122
> 	for ns-users-faq; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:41:26 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128])
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15117
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:41:25 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from explore.kwangwoon.ac.kr ([128.134.70.30])
> 	by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6QHfEL11037
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:41:14 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from ics-svr3 (ics-svr3.kwangwoon.ac.kr [128.134.70.20])
> 	by explore.kwangwoon.ac.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA11789;
> 	Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:35:47 +0900 (KST)
> Received: (from daemon@localhost)
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12226
> 	for [email protected]; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: (from majordom@localhost)
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12213
> 	for ns-users-faq; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:57:33 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128])
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12207
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from explore.kwangwoon.ac.kr ([128.134.70.30])
> 	by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6QGvZL19456
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from ics-svr3 (ics-svr3.kwangwoon.ac.kr [128.134.70.20])
> 	by explore.kwangwoon.ac.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA09822;
> 	Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:52:08 +0900 (KST)
> Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09537
> 	for [email protected]; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:16:35 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09526
> 	for ns-users-faq; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:16:34 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128])
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09517
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from explore.kwangwoon.ac.kr ([128.134.70.30])
> 	by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6QGGhL00793
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from ics-svr3 (ics-svr3.kwangwoon.ac.kr [128.134.70.20])
> 	by explore.kwangwoon.ac.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA07126;
> 	Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:11:15 +0900 (KST)
> Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06233
> 	for [email protected]; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:30:38 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06223
> 	for ns-users-faq; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128])
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06217
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from explore.kwangwoon.ac.kr ([128.134.70.30])
> 	by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6QFUkL06623
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from ics-svr3 (ics-svr3.kwangwoon.ac.kr [128.134.70.20])
> 	by explore.kwangwoon.ac.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA04834;
> 	Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:25:17 +0900 (KST)
> Received: by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04130
> 	for [email protected]; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: (from majordom@localhost)
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04120
> 	for ns-users-faq; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:51:07 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128])
> 	by zephyr.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04115
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:51:05 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from wren.cs.unc.edu (wren.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.86])
> 	by tnt.isi.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6QEpLL17132
> 	for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from atlanta.cs.unc.edu (IDENT:[email protected] [152.2.131.245])
> 	by wren.cs.unc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13516;
> 	Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:51:14 -0400 (EDT)
> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:51:14 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Michele C. Weigle" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> cc: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [ns] tcp-full agent runs error with wireless-cum-wired mip ,help!
> In-Reply-To: <F3768A6EA461D311A4BD0008C7735E5901FDA839@beeis01nok>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> Sender: [email protected]
> Precedence: bulk