Re: Satellites running IP

From: Lloyd Wood ([email protected])
Date: Fri Jun 14 2002 - 12:37:03 EDT

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    On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, William Ivancic wrote:
    > At 01:52 PM 6/14/02 +0100, Lloyd Wood wrote:
    > >On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, David Carek wrote:
    > >
    > > > I'm looking for existing satellites that use IP or other Internet
    > > > protocols on board or in their air to ground communications. .....
    > >
    > > Really, isn't this what NASA et al. have been developing SCPS for?
    >
    > Does anyone know of someone "flying" an onboard SCPS stack?
    >
    > Does anyone know of any commercial applications that call the SCPS-TP
    > options. SCPS-FP is the only application one I know of.
    >
    > Does anyone know of a commercial vendor implementing a SCPS-NP router? To
    > take full advantage of some options in SCPS-TP, one needs as SCPS-NP router.
    >
    > We performed high-speed testing those SCPS options we could test and found
    > no significant performance improvements.
    > The report is being written, but not yet available. The results were
    > presented as the 2nd Space Internet Workshop in June and will be
    > presented at SpaceOps 2002.
    >
    > http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic/papers_presentations/papers.html
    >
    > Under PRESENTATIONS
    >
    > "SCPS-TP, TCP and Rate-Based Protocol Evaluation," (Includes multi-flow
    > data) SpaceOps 2002 at Houston, TX, October 9-12, 2002 (Powerpoint) file
    > size 951,808 bytes

    the rest of the presentations are at
    http://siw.gsfc.nasa.gov/agenda.html

    (SIW1 has html conversions of all slides online; SIW2 is wholly
    powerpoint. Really, I'd like to see pdfs of the lot - all the
    read-anywhere-platform-independent convenience of one, all the
    download-a-single-file convenience of the other.)

    > By the way, SCPS-TP advertises TCP's protocol number for reliable transport
    > protocol selections. It does this even if the pure rate-based transmission
    > is used. IMO, this is terrible as it make QoS and queue management very
    > difficult.

    QoS and queue management shouldn't depend on what traffic is, but on
    what traffic does imo - otherwise there's a semantic gap. When
    rate-based, SCPS-TP is still sending TCP-style packets, so the
    protocol identifier is valid.

    L.

    > I may be putting a rate-based protocol into a WRED
    > queue. Guess who loses.
    >
    > Will

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