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ISI Natural Language Seminar

NL Seminar- Disentangling Geometry, Performance, and Training in Language Models

Event Details

Speaker: Atharva Kulkarni, USC

Conference Rm Location: ISI-MDR CRs#1135-1137

Zoom Link: https://usc.zoom.us/j/99470400418?pwd=bRgL0U5ICvscL9IaYcab02sBsyCCRx.1

Meeting ID: 994 7040 0418Passcode: 246810

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Abstract:

Geometric properties of Transformer weights, particularly the unembedding matrix, have been widely useful in language model interpretability research. Yet, their utility for estimating downstream performance remains unclear. In this work, we systematically investigate the relationship between model performance and the unembedding matrix geometry, particularly its effective rank. Our experiments, involving a suite of 108 OLMo-style language models trained under controlled variation, reveal several key findings. While the best-performing models often exhibit a high effective rank, this trend is not universal across tasks and training setups. Contrary to prior work, we find that low effective rank does not cause late-stage performance degradation in small models, but instead co-occurs with it; we find adversarial cases where low-rank models do not exhibit saturation.

Moreover, we show that effective rank is strongly influenced by pre-training hyperparameters, such as batch size and weight decay, which in-turn affect the model’s performance. Lastly, extending our analysis to other geometric metrics and final-layer representation, we find that these metrics are largely aligned, but none can reliably predict downstream performance. Overall, our findings suggest that the model’s geometry, as captured by existing metrics, primarily reflects training choices rather than performance.

 

Speaker Bio

Atharva Kulkarni is a third-year PhD student in Computer Science at USC, advised by Prof. Swabha Swayamdipta. His research focuses on the science of foundation models, with an emphasis on understanding their learning dynamics, representation geometry, and reliability. His work combines theoretical analysis with large-scale empirical experimentation to understand why models succeed or fail and how data, optimization, and architectural choices shape their behavior. Before USC, Atharva Kulkarni earned his Master’s in Language Technologies from Carnegie Mellon University, working with Prof. Barnabás Póczos and Prof. Graham Neubig, and his bachelor’s in Computer Science from Savitribai Phule Pune University. He has also had the opportunity to conduct research at Apple, Microsoft Research, Thoughtworks, IIT Delhi, and UC Berkeley. Hosts: Jonathan May and Ruth-Ann Armstrong
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